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  • Beppe9

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Underfeet.store low activity
« on: November 16, 2019, 02:04:41 PM »
Is it just my impression or Underfeet.store has less activity than the old Fetishare?
I've tried to post brand new stuff instead of already seen clips, but despite of it I've got just a couple of downloads (so a couple of points) for my clips. Some of them were even never downloaded. I remember when I was on Fetishare in the XXXFM era, that every time somebody posted a brand new clip, that clip was downloaded up to 20 times.
I see some new and interesting clips posted by other users without any download. I would like to download them, but I have no points because my clips were not downloaded. This is what programmers call 'deadlock' :P
What can we do to change this situation and give a boost to Underfeet.store?
Do we need more contests like the "barefoot contest" of the last months?
Should admin encourage the purchase of points with some kind of offers, like "black friday: only today points sold at half price!", or similar?
I'm afraid that if we don't give Underfeet.store a boost, users may stop uploading good material. This answer made me think a lot, for example: https://fatalfeet.net/index.php?topic=300.msg674#msg674
If you agree with me, please post your suggestions and let's see if we can improve Underfeet.store.
Thank you

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 10:41:04 PM »
Anyone has suggestions?  :-[

Here is mine: why don't we split the video collection in two pages? The home page (the one shown after login) and a page named 'other videos' (reachable through a button).
In the home page are shown only videos that were never posted and are well described (correct title, highest quality, same description from producer site, etcetera).
In the 'other videos' page instead are shown all the other videos (suspect reposts, old videos, videos with bad description or generic title...).
In addition, get rid of gold points, ask to users to provide the date when the video was uploaded on the original store (providing fake dates will lead to punishments like lose points or ban) and award the uploader in this way:
- if the video is not older than one month: 3 points
- if the video is not older than two months: 2 points
- if the video is not older than three monts: 1 point
So users are encouraged to post good material in order to have it shown in the home page (with more possibility to be seen and downloaded by other users). In addition they're enrouraged to post brand new clips in order to gain up to 3 points in addition to the ones they will gain through the downloads.
What do you think about?

Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2019, 01:07:17 AM »
I think we need to find the cause of the problem first so we can think the proper solution.

One hypotesis is that the major contributors are no longer in the community, by this I mean people who buy new stuff and post them here or elsewhere.
If this is the case, than I'm afraid there isn't much that can be done about it. Maybe the people responsible for this site could buy/post tons of rare stuff to attract new contributors willing to do the same.

Other thing that might be happening and it could be related to the first thing I said, is that few people have lots of rare/new clips aren't posting them because they alredy got loads of points and nowhere to expend them. In this case, the only thing I see could help this site is a major new/rare clip distribution in the community. It is not only underfeet.store that is slow at the moment, every other site I knew that shared are also suffering from the same thing. These other sites would work as this free clip redistribution thing since they had no "points" scheme and everything was literally free, and people who got videos there would then post here and get some points while at the same time posting new/rare stuff. Maybe it was this very movement that ended up slowing things down I mean, why would you post free stuff in site X, if someone would use it to get points in site Y? Basically you paid for someone to have points and download videos in another site.

If you think about it, pornhub is kinda taking this role of the free sharing site that people use to win points here.

Honestly, I think the easiest way out of this loop is to abolish the point system on this site. This way no one would feel fucked because someone got your new free clip to win some points at fetishare. Wasn't the idea behind fetishare to, you know, share stuff? Sharing means shit gotta be free, otherwise its selling, and the currency is "points". People will "steal" clips from elsewhere to "sell" them here, and this is what might be fucking the community in the long term.

It's all just a thought... I don't know how much sense this actually makes lol

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2019, 09:19:52 PM »
I disagree. The points system is good, we only need to make it easier to gain points for people that post new stuff. This is why I suggested to moderators to award these users with one or more points. People must be encouraged to post original and new stuff.

If we make everything free we will have two users posting clips and hundreds of users download these clips, until the two users get upset and stop sharing clips.
People that wants free stuff can look for it in Pornhub or russian forums.
I daily check Pornhub and russian forums for free clips, and if I find the same clips in Underfeet.store I will surely not download them.
I think most users do like me, as these clips has zero downloads, if you check.

I look forward to hearing the opinion of Loki.

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2019, 08:33:55 PM »
Thank you all for your ideas. I have taken note of some of them and we will implement them before the end of the year.
I believe that the biggest problem is to carry Gustavo Coria's legacy on my shoulders. Gustavo has kept Fetishare for more than 10 years. The majority of Underfeet users are also former members of Fetishare, and have many years of work invested in that site and also many points and are loyal to Gustavo. I think many do not want to invest their time in Underfeet until the future of Fetishare is decided.
I think it would be good for everyone if Gustavo made a final decision about Fetishare and its version of the DeepWeb, that is, if it works again as a sister website, or if it closes permanently.
Gustavo is very busy with his work on television and has not had little time to respond to my messages, it seems. But this same Saturday night, we will both meet at the birthday party of a friend of ours we have in common, and I will take the opportunity to discuss all these concerns and propose that you officially announce the fate of Fetishare.
Meanwhile, I am responding to some of the suggested ideas:

Should admin encourage the purchase of points with some kind of offers, like "black friday: only today points sold at half price!", or similar?

We had already thought about that option and we will implement it shortly as a form of stimulation for the use of Bitcoin. One of the main problems is that we can no longer accept payments with Paypal or credit cards, and the only way to collect is Bitcoin.

 
What can we do to change this situation and give a boost to Underfeet.store?
Do we need more contests like the "barefoot contest" of the last months?

That is an idea that I can put into practice at any time. You just have to decide what kind of contest to promote. The first contest was from Barefeet. I accept suggestions for topics for the following contest

 
Here is mine: why don't we split the video collection in two pages? The home page (the one shown after login) and a page named 'other videos' (reachable through a button).
In the home page are shown only videos that were never posted and are well described (correct title, highest quality, same description from producer site, etcetera).
In the 'other videos' page instead are shown all the other videos (suspect reposts, old videos, videos with bad description or generic title...).

This idea is also very good. As I said before, we will also implement that new system before the end of the year ... maybe much sooner ...

 
In addition, get rid of gold points, ask to users to provide the date when the video was uploaded on the original store (providing fake dates will lead to punishments like lose points or ban) and award the uploader in this way:
- if the video is not older than one month: 3 points
- if the video is not older than two months: 2 points
- if the video is not older than three monts: 1 point

This is much more complicated to implement. To do what you propose, it would mean completely re-programming the whole point system, and that is not possible without conflicts. Remember that the Underfeet script is a clone of Fetishare, and the source code was written entirely by Gustavo Coria, and due to his dyslexia, it has a very confusing and complicated way of programming (besides never commenting on its functions :( ) Its simplest functions are very complex for normal people, which is why it is so difficult for us to make major modifications without affecting other functions by mistake.
What is complicated for us is to know how old a clip is. In xxxfm we could all see the new clips and know their date. But in CFZ none of us has an account there (because we have never bought clips, neither in cfz nor in xxxfm).
At the moment the GOLD points stay, but we will put the option that each user can exchange their GOLD for 3 points at any time. But you cannot redeem 3 points for 1 GOLD at any time. We are already thinking about giving GOLD a new use.

Friends, I thank you again for all the ideas you can contribute to improve the functioning of our website. Thanks and I keep hearing suggestions.

Loki~


« Last Edit: November 23, 2019, 08:38:06 PM by Loki »

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2019, 05:04:22 PM »

Quote from: Loki
You just have to decide what kind of contest to promote. The first contest was from Barefeet. I accept suggestions for topics for the following contest

Basically every value of the lists in the submit form can become a contest; from the producer to the victim, without forgetting the shoes.. I think that the contests should be used to obtain a fair amount of different contents in the site. If you notice that a particular kind of clip is lacking, create a contest to improve the upload of that kind of clip. Some examples:
> you notice that in the last couple of months no clips with spiders were uploaded ? Create a 'spider contenst'.
> you notice that in the last couple of months no clips from ChloeCreations were uploaded ? Create a 'Chloe contest'.
> you notice that in the last couple of months no clips with underglass view were uploaded ? Create an 'underglass contest'.
And so on...

Alternatively, you can wait for suggestions here in this forum.
Here is my suggestion: "tag team contest" (clips with more than one girl crushing together).


Quote from: Loki
This is much more complicated to implement. To do what you propose, it would mean completely re-programming the whole point system, and that is not possible without conflicts. Remember that the Underfeet script is a clone of Fetishare, and the source code was written entirely by Gustavo Coria, and due to his dyslexia, it has a very confusing and complicated way of programming (besides never commenting on its functions :( ) Its simplest functions are very complex for normal people, which is why it is so difficult for us to make major modifications without affecting other functions by mistake.

Not sure about it. Admin can give points to users. It happens after a broken link is reported or after a user purchases points. I think that in the same way admin could give points as award for uploading a new and well described clip.

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What is complicated for us is to know how old a clip is. In xxxfm we could all see the new clips and know their date. But in CFZ none of us has an account there (because we have never bought clips, neither in cfz nor in xxxfm).

Here is an idea: ask for two pictures in the submit form: the first is the preview of the video (like now) and the second is a screenshot of the portion of web page from CFZ (or producer site) where the clip is described. The screenshot will show title, length, price, duration... and date. This second picture is optional, but users must provide it if they aim to gain some points just for having uploaded a new clip. If a user aims for a couple of easy points, he will spend a couple of minuts to provide this second picture. I would do it, for example. Thanks to this picture you can easily verify the correctness of the information provided by the user, and award it with one or more points if he actually posted a new clip.
There is some margin for fraud here: advanced users could edit the page content before taking the screenshot and provide false information. I want to believe that it will not happen, but you never know... Well, if it happens I'm sure that other users will feel scammed and will report the false info to admin using either this forum or emails, then the admin can punish the fraudulent user as he prefers.
Does it make sense?

Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2020, 07:09:27 PM »
Well, nobody seems to keep in mind that some (most?) of us are blocked from the actual sites where they offer new material. I myself was blocked at xxxfm and I've been blocked on cf-zone for over a year as well... how can people like us post new videos? Nobody seems to care... And I am very sure that this is one of the main reasons why there's so much less movement on underfeet.store... Also... a LOT of people don't want to use bitcoin to buy points, it's that simple. There should be an easier way to buy points. Skrill, paypal, whatever really.
I hardly ever come back on this forum or underfeet.store because of these reasons. I can't buy new stuff (even though I want to, badly) and therefor I can't upload new stuff, so why bother uploading stuff people have seen 1000 times? I also don't care about bitcoin, however safe it is, I'll never buy bitcoins just because of some points I can use here. It's too much of a hokey pokey.

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2020, 02:48:53 AM »
Hi Foothugger
I've mentioned both of the concerns on this post... cf-zone banning and bitcoin.

https://fatalfeet.net/index.php?topic=336.0

I do not have a solutions other then a compromise between both sites. Is it possible to come to some sort of agreement between cf-zone and underfeet.store? I think this agreement would have to be made between Loki and the owner of cf-zone

1. What would be in this deal?
2. Would cf-zone be willing to lift banns?

Just some random thoughts I do not know if this has any logic... is it a possibility?

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2020, 10:13:10 PM »
Well, nobody seems to keep in mind that some (most?) of us are blocked from the actual sites where they offer new material. I myself was blocked at xxxfm and I've been blocked on cf-zone for over a year as well... how can people like us post new videos? Nobody seems to care... And I am very sure that this is one of the main reasons why there's so much less movement on underfeet.store... Also... a LOT of people don't want to use bitcoin to buy points, it's that simple. There should be an easier way to buy points. Skrill, paypal, whatever really.
I hardly ever come back on this forum or underfeet.store because of these reasons. I can't buy new stuff (even though I want to, badly) and therefor I can't upload new stuff, so why bother uploading stuff people have seen 1000 times? I also don't care about bitcoin, however safe it is, I'll never buy bitcoins just because of some points I can use here. It's too much of a hokey pokey.

CF-Zone is currently the biggest market where to find crush clips, but it's not the only one.
Some producers sell clips also in separate ways...
Toejac and DreamCrush for example have their own web sites with shop.
InnocentCruelty is closing his store on CF-Zone and will sell clips only via direct contact with the customer (email); he also mentioned the opening of a web site during the year 2020.
ChloeCreations and AlexandriaStars have their own web sites and they allow monthly subscription that let you access dozens of clips.
Being banned from CF-Zone is sad, but it's not the end of the world, as some clips can be purchased also elsewhere.

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2020, 10:23:34 PM »
I do not have a solutions other then a compromise between both sites. Is it possible to come to some sort of agreement between cf-zone and underfeet.store? I think this agreement would have to be made between Loki and the owner of cf-zone
1. What would be in this deal?
2. Would cf-zone be willing to lift banns?
Just some random thoughts I do not know if this has any logic... is it a possibility?

I'm afraid it will never happen. Cf-Zone has nothing to gain in a compromise with a clip trading site. Every download from Underfeet.store is a missed purchase for them.
Loki could put a disclaimer like "If you enjoyed the clip, then please consider to purchase it, otherwise delete it within 24 hours". In this way our sharing activity is a kind of advertisement for producers, but who guarantees that users will follow that disclaimer? Would you delete a clip that you enjoy? Or would you pay to purchase a clip that you already have instead of purchasing a clip that you still don't have? I wouldn't.

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2020, 08:38:41 AM »
As newbie, here is why i don't publish anything and don't download anything, sadly :

. It's too complicate to post something and tutorial link is dead. So i don't know where to upload my thumbnails pics. And i think i'm not the only one so maybe you should find an easier way to upload.
btw You can fixe the link and i will learn how to link my thumbnails.
So at some points it feels like we have to do some ...stuff... to finally post something here (maybe i'm wrong but it's how it's look like for me).
I found some stuff on youtube to upload pic ofc but wans't sure if it's was right and it discourage me.

. Seems that i can't link stuff from https://files.fm/  it's not a big issue but i have already upload some stuff on files.fm and i wish i could share it here.

. Website is dark and look a bit scary all black and red. yes, really it's a bit scary lol.

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Re: Underfeet.store low activity
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2020, 06:00:56 PM »
I confirm innocent cruelty has closed shop on cf-zone. Not much cf-zone can do at this point regarding innocent cruelty clips, shop is closed 8)